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Hurting for those tips tonight, already been on for a few hours and changed her goal 3 times

https://twitter.com/roomtoavoid

SKI she activated her DMs on twitter

go there and send her a message, ask where is your money! She will look, I promise

Ha she's getting bored so gonna stuff her face, what a good show

«Hey ski did you know Olena is giving away tokens? maybe you can ask for what she stole to you back?


Whem you think this thief cant impress you more...........she just invented a nw shit to put herself more on deep shit




#FRAUD_TO_AVOID»

Well whiile idiots like rubix or curly keep supporting her for literally do nothing a be sit there like a bag of potatoes, nothing we can do about.............


In top of that bullshit, she is trying to use a member account with tokens to give them away on a token keno game on her room with her fucking nickname....seriously if MFC allows this flagrant scam what will be next?


We know she tips herself and use other guys to do it, that way idios like boom feel the need to mach tips



I cant beleive all the tactics and dirty games she is using for scam money, if you told me this a year ago i woudnt beleive it




She is crossing all the lines of be an honest camwhore.........hope she be banned for this bcs she fucking deserve it what a grredy cunt scammer she become since she is with that useless aussie piece of shit



No fucking words to express it tbh

Well that was a fuckin boring show. Does she not understand people are there to see your ass and not sit there.

Scamming angel, rogue first Lena? Why you stand up to show them what you wearing?



Are you gonna be 9 hours teasing them?




Jesus Lena, that idea of be on other sites working..........means you gonna do cum shows there? or do you think this tease stuff can fool other guys in other places?



You feel like you are wasted on mfc in those 6 years doing the same?




So the autistic guy is gonna bother you asking? Maybe he will find out what you really stream........autistic guys are smart, (not you rubix) ...........



Let the shit show begin, gonna be legendary .............i sense it

Oh my fucking god, ski missed to post here when she was online?


What happend loser, you are finally over her?




I cant beleive, probably you distracted with your duplos?





What a fucking loser

Holy fuck this bitch is really trying hard for any tips

With the holidays coming up I'm getting rather busy and might miss reminding ya over the coming days. Don't fret though, I will be back to doing my duty after the holidays. Unfortunately, the consequences for theft is sometimes the person you stole from tries to recover there items. Crazy I know. On principle, I will continue to attempt to recover what was taken from me that I paid money for. As such, you can continue to deal with the consequences of your theft till you stop streaming, or you can work with me to resolve our dispute. The choice is yours. You know where to find me. I might pop in later on tonight to remind ya I'm still waiting. Don't know. Still got a lot to do this evening.

Holy fuck that's annoying how she pulls her hair out of her face and just pushes it back in. Like what the fuck bitch make up your mind.

see?

after being exposed that you are not doing for the money and having another confirmation that she will never pay you back (as you said, she isn't a nice person): you stay here.

If it is certain that you'll not get anything back, you have no reason to continue. But you do, because you can't stop harassing her

you have zero control over this, mfc won't do anything, she won't do anything, her simps won't do anything, the american police won't do anything, the ukrainian police won't do anything, the australian police won't do anything, interpol won't do anything, no judge will process your case...

you lost

it is like when your favorite restaurant closes and you keep going there to see if it is back LOL

you lost

big time

there will be no return

commenting here about it doesn't solve your problem. not even close

it is not about the money, it is because you can't stop harassing her

simple

keep lying to yourself, just don't be a fool thinking we believe in you

Making my appearance to remind you, you owe me a few hundred dollars in purchases you chose to remove for no reason. If you aren’t happy with me ‘harassing’ you (aka trying to recover my purchases that were removed for no reason with no communication and no means to redress the situation), you have agency. You can restore my purchases that I gave you a few hundred dollars for. At which point, I will no longer have cause to ‘harass’ (try to remedy the removal of my purchases for no reason) you. To be honest, I’m rather impressed with one thing. I was heavily pre inclined to cut you a lot of slack and give you a lot of chances. I honestly thought you were a legitimately nice person who had drawn together a unique inclusive community. I won’t get into the reasons when I was so heavily pre inclined but you could probably guess a few of them. You’ve managed to take that and turn me into someone who really doesn’t like you much and thinks you're a deeply ethically flawed individual with zero interest in any form of self improvement. Some of it may be the company you keep nowadays but I’m less likely to believe that at this point. To start with what my initial thoughts were and get to this point, where I just want to recover my purchases that were removed and forget you, mfc, and this site exists, is truly a sort of remarkable achievement. So… congrats on that I guess.
You know where to find me.

your principle is to harass her

you did it before you were banned

you did it before you lost your clubs

and you continue doing it

now with this fucking excuse

maybe your brain is damaged and you believe you have this principle... but the evidence shows that you are just using something to justify your actions

when you were banned you still had your clubs, but you acted exactly how you are acting now

again, lie to yourself, but don't be an idiot to think we are being fooled too

if it was really for the money, you would give up way sooner.

But you aren't giving up.

Because it isn't about the money

And it isn't about the principles

It is about being a creep

Like always

She knows it is not about the money

Why would she give a single fuck? She knows that if you get your money back you'll continue being who you are. And she doesn't fucking care

So don't be a coward and admit that you are sick and you can't let her go

stop pretending

it is getting embarrassing.

Ski she noticed your desperate attempt to talk to her today, and as you saw she totally ignored you


What else do you need to fuck off and dont bother about that cunt and post here your annoying bullshit every day?



GET THE FUCK OFF FROM HERE AND ENJOY YOUR PATHETIC LIFE FUCKING CREEP

of course you don't know who I am or what the issue is. You're not that stupid. Till you wanna end this, do the right thing and not be a thief. Liar I don't htink you can help at this point.

It's about principles. Anyways, back to my rule of not replying to ppl that don't attach their names to there words. So I'm making my appearance again to remind you still owe me a few hundred dollars in product. As I've said before at this point I'd really love to be able to forget you exist. You've shown a massive lack of ethics or any willingness to try to fix things. Making mistakes is one thing. Everyone does it. It's the utter failure to attempt to resolve them that is the issue. Hopefully you'll fix this one at somepoint so I don't have to waste my time doing this. It's getting old and just making me dislike you more. You know where to find me when you want to not be a thief.

but ski, you are lying to yourself though

you are trying to lie at us, but you are only fooling yourself

because we all know that if she return you the money, you will find another excuse to be around her and harass her

so just shut up

it is not about the money, it is about you being a creep

What do you want exactly ski? Your money or access to her clubs? If you wanna forget about her for what you need the clubs?


I dont get it, at this poing we all know she is not gonna give you back anything, today she scammed 99 tokens from a guy who "was annoying and mean with her" when he tipped for an ass view tip from hertip menu


Never seen her do that, but at this point she is burned of bullshit, and your problem with her is part of the bullshit she have to deal every day



Not much ago you cannot beleive to see this from her, but its pretty clear she is every day more angry and tired of mfc, she just go straight to the money and when something bothers her just looks to other side and dont even try to fix it, like everything in her life............she is an unfinishd human project, a evil mosnter with no feelings so, you better forgot about her, call your clubs lost and enjoy your "life"




OH and ken is kenzo, a fucking loser asking for her porn everywhere, a fucking schizo, dont even talk to him, is a waste of time

i have no idea who you are Ken, if that is even who you are but I'm pretty sure I've made myself abundantly clear what my problem is. I have had several hundred dollars of purchases removed for no reason with no communication and no means of redress. The business owner refused to communicate on the issue and in fact banned my primary account for bring it up (admittedly in a passive aggressive way). As such and have to bring the issue up here until the issue is resolved. Don't like considering her a thief but, frankly, by her actions that's what she is and anyone supporting her is supporting the behavior and the inability to resolve a complaint about her business. I'll drop in later to remind you I'm still waiting to hear from you kris on the resolution to this issue so I can forget you exist. At this point, I just want my purchases and to be able to forget you exist. I'm sorry it came to that. Till you decide to do the right thing.

SemiOpaqueSki, what is your problem?

Spend some of that time thinking about the ethics of theft. You can think while you brush. A little moral hygiene to go with the physical.

Doing my obligation to remind you STILL owe me several hundred dollars in purchases that were removed for no reason. Still waiting for you to do the right thing. Hope its not to long before I can stop thinking of you as a thief. Not staying long. Almost finished with my book. Gonna do that in a few. Sounds like you are getting off anyways. Give you some time to think about ethics.

I'm probably gonna miss reminding you you owe me several hundred dollars in purchases today. I was catching up on stuff in the barn that fell behind when I couldn't walk and my back hurts. Probably just gonna relax with a book and some wine after I finish dinner. I am still waiting for you to make think right though and will pop in to remind u next time if I don't get to it today.

Ski the "person" you need to talk about your "lifetime clubs" is Strum.


He was the master mind who convinced her to dump people with no reason to renove clubs instead of the lifetime purchase



You can find him easy on MFC, he is even more active there than the cunt he stills pimp........



If you dont mind post the convo here............to prevent others to support that THIEVES

Ugh, it was nice while it lasted. I'll pop in for a few minutes later on to remind you you still owe me a few hundred dollars worth of items. I'd love to be able to stop. Would love for you to do the right thing and not be a thief and I could forget you exist. You know how to get a hold of me when you decide you don't want to have stolen items on your conscience.

What is she doing. Spending all of booms money on vacation or her herps

Just got informed on of my animals didn't make it so I'm probably not gonna make it in to remind you I'm still waiting for you to do the right thing. I am though. You know where to find me.

Etichal and Lena in the same phrase? Ski you are so innocent dude, you better wake the fuck up and move on, she dont give a damn shit for anyone from mfc not even her whales so you can imagine how your issue with her affects her business, like nothing.........go and play with your games, better than keep up with this shit for sure

Well this is odd. I was just gonna stop in for a few minutes as I finished rebirth last night but starting another immersive one with alien isolation. See you are in a club show however, and for some strange reason I can't seem to join. I'm pretty much positive I had lifetime memberships to three of those clubs. Would love some assistance in resolving this. Do you have a customer support line? I did spend a few hundred dollars on this. More in fact then my lifetime 2 tb of cloud storage. I still have access to that btw. Look forward to you assisting me in resolving this issue. I know you want to run your business in a upfront, ethical and responsible way.

welp, same as yesterday. Gonna keep working on rebirth so I'll just pop in for a few minutes to remind you you still owe me a few hundred dollars of purchases. When you decide you don't want to be a thief anymore, you know where to find me to resolve it.

«God damn boom is such a sp inless cuck»



For how much time he is going to keep this insanity?



The dude is droping on her minimum 500 dollars every fucking day on her, no matter whath she says or do.........just show up there and kill goals at work at home or before fo out...........


This dude had his fights with her bcs she knows is the type of guy who love be bullye or treated like shit.......but Lena you really feel good taking advantage of this loser every day?


Why dont romorow set this topic:


GOAL XXXX but today boom is not allowed to tip)



What about that? NO FUCKING BALLS TO DO IT



Keep scamming this poor idito is more easy, and booking the hotel on camera was the cherry on top , SAYING OUT LOUD THE HOTEL IS SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE (TOO MANY DOLLARS) a woman doing top 100 every month in 5 years, a fucking millionaire begging for money for her hotel vacation ON CAM...........THAT WAS FUCKING AWFUL OVER ACTUADED PATHETIC LAME well i have no words enought to express how greedy is this woman, when you think she reach a new low she surprise you with new shit



To be honest she deserves nothing, if at least she was honest..........but not even that, lies and lies and bullshit non stop..........

«Ha, had to change her goal since nobody is tipping. Looks good on that bitch.»


Yeah she needed to do that and iam sure she pmed boom to show up and start to kill her goals, is the only idiot supporting this bitch right now......and you noticed when he is not there NOBODY TIPS HER


Wonder what happend with Rubix............but this idiots has to work double now............what an idiot

God damn boom is such a spinless cuck

Ha, had to change her goal since nobody is tipping. Looks good on that bitch.

*sigh*. I'll probably just pop in for a few minutes to remind you I'm 'still' waiting for you to make right on my purchases, but I wanna start amnesia:rebirth (annoyingly started but got distracted and didn't finish and can't remember it now) for Halloween. Considering it's all about the atmosphere have no desire to have the stream audio in my ears as a distraction. When you wanna not be a thief you know where to find me. Would love to be able to stop doing this. Would love to be able to leave and not consider you a thief. I've done as much as I can to work this out. Just up to u.

Ski stole your money is the smallest of her sins, in the list is abortion and broke a family........she has the whole pack of go straight to hell, she is gonna enjoy it so bad there

Pinged ya. I'll drop in for a bit to remind you you owe me a few hundred dollars in purchases but won't be paying attention. As the ping says, when you want to stop being a thief you know where to find me. FYI, theft is a sin. (contexual to conversation, not my faith).

Great another pity stream, This cunt needs to retire and get a life.

You can notice by strum activity on mfc when he was on vacation with lena or not...........since yesterday is straight there online FOR HOURS AND HOURS, when this bitch was with him riding in a scooter the barelly show up on mfc, just for check if any idiot tip her............


And yes that scooter thing means HER FATHER was not wit her on vacation, or Lena was your father with you and Strum riding scooters like retards in the night ?


This bitch lies more and mover every day, yesterday 6 hours online and she doesnt said shit about her vacation, she is really gonna hide it?



And ofc she had to show up before end of pay day to scam tokens to dissapear again........weird as fuck



She wished people to die, she doxed people, iam not like her but i reallly wish that knee was her head, enough of this bitch in 5 years, so fucking tired of her bullshit

Ugh. You could have at least stayed away till after my birthday in a few weeks. Just got my covid vaccine and feeling like utter shit and got no sleep. Not sure I'll pop in this time to remind you you owe me a few hundred dollars in purchases but probably next time if I don't. You know where to find me when you want to not be a thief.

I'm to exhausted tonight. Have been waking up stupid early again. If I drop in to remind you you still owe me a few hundred dollars of purchases, it will just be for a fee minutes before I go to bed.

Not gonna make my stop in I don't think tonight. Lot going on. Id love to resolve our business issue so I have one less thing to think about. You know were to find me if you decide now is the time to settle things. Till that day.

Same deal. Lot going on. Will pop in on phone for a few minutes to remind you you still have several hundred dollars of my purchases that you removed for no reason. Got a lot of stressors right now. Would love to be able to drop you as one and not be obligated to make my post here reminding you you and I still have unresolved business deals. Till you do the right think.

I don't have the energy again tonight. I'll stop in for a minute or 2 to remind ya. Hopefully you take a critical look at past actions before to long and realize you need to fix somethings. Until that day.

I woke up at 4 again so again tired and just a lot going on so I am again just gonna pop in for a few minutes to remind you you have a few hundred dollars of stolen merchandise of mine. Waiting for the day you do the right thing. Would love not not have to see you as a thief. Till then.

Under a lot of stress and extremely tired (not sleeping) so probably only pop in for a few minutes to remind you you still owe me for a few hundred dollars of purchases.

Haven't been sleeping well again. Got like 3 hrs last night and stupid tired. Gonna log in on phone for a bit to remind ya still waiting to resolve are business issue but won't be paying attention again. Till ya decide to fix things

mind = miss (typo)

Ski you dont mind nothing, she was burning a heart for 5 hours, and at the same time two idiots were fighting to win her used covid mask, yeah this is the new level on he room, stupid goals for nothing


I remember the times when ws funny to be there, now is like a circle of the same shit over and over, she is becoming a parrot

bleg. I'm hooked into starfield and my laptop isn't available. I'll log in on phone to remember you owe me some compensation for a few hundred dollars of purchases but won't be paying attention. till you decide to do the right thing. Would love to be able to stop reminding ya.

well gonna have to take another day. Long day. Fun, but long as I dropped by the range. I feel like spending a few hours relaxing rather then using it to remind you you have unresolved business you've decided to stonewall rather then deal with. Next time hopefully I'll be able to do my duty. Would love to be able to stop. I'll probably pop in on the phone for a minute or something just to drop the name. Till you decide to fix things.

Ugh. May not make it tonight. Just started a new season of a something. Rest assured though, I'm still waiting to resolve are business issue. I'll be back to remind ya next time. Might hope in for a minute or 2 just to flash the name. Would love to settle things so I can be done with you.

ok. Imma head to bed. You know where to find me when you wanna do the right thing. Tomorrow is another day.

Making my appearance but not gonna get my laptop so gonna be paying zero attention. Reminder you still have a couple hundred dollars of my purchases we need to settle. Waiting for the day you consider your business ethics. Till then.

Ski she is bussy scamming another dude now, or dont you see in the streams the monologue of that dude tipping her every minute of the stream?


My advice to you is get rid of her asap, if she talks to you again wich i hardly doubt, will be bcs probably someone dumped her, be careful this bitch is trained to scam weak dudes like you, and to me you look like all of them, find someone in real life who really appreciate how you are and not only your money, this place is a selfish field where camwhores like her dont had any mercy.


Could you beleive in today stream she said, that models from her studio sit there to scam stupid americans?


Yeah, and now she is the one defending the rights of the camwhores from Ukraine, an activity who is BANNED by goberment


Now she is against the people who trained her to be the scammer she is after 5 years, she cannot be more hypocrite, stupid and every adjetive you can say to her


Lena where do you think you could be now, if those mob studio motheruckers who traineed you dont let you be a camwhore?



Do you think you will end married with kolhya and doing blowjob for cigarrettes?



Its so nice be now the super hero hide like a rat in Australia and fighting for the rights of people you dont give a fuck, or you dont remember when all your co-workers hated you and talked shit bcs you fuckied one of the admins to had privilegies there?



What you are doing with men on mfc, what you did on the studio, to your father and family now, soon or later is going to pay a toll on you, too much pain to good people, and i hope hits you harder, to make you at least undertand the piece of shit you are just for fool yourelf about how ·happjy is your actual shitty life


So Ski, dont even try to offfer her more money, that money not gonna end in any charity, she wants the money for her and the parastte who pays to live with her.........dont support evil people, avoid her asap and try to move on, i know its hard but will hurt more than see you every day begging here, she dont deserve you at all , honestly fuck her

Welp tomorrow is always another day to do the right thing. The offer I made awhile back is still open if you wanna settle things by donating what you stole from me (plus a bit extra for appreciation) to your country. Still seems like a win win to me. You know where to find me when you wanna resolve the issue of stealing a few hundred dollars.

welp making my appearance. Still waiting on you deciding to do the right thing. You know where to find me. Gonna go starfield and finish the war stream.

last day of my little mini-vacation and decided to partake and probably won't make it tonight. Never fear however, I haven't forgotten you and I have some unresolved business dealings. I may pop in for like 30 seconds just to pop the name up. Until you wanna try to fix some things from the past.

Ski why you dont sue her or her father?


Or much better fly to Adelaide find them and do justice or are you a pussy?



Fucking do it

you know where to find me. Would love to not have to think of you as a thief and to be able to leave.

Animals taken care of. Just making my appearance to remind you once again we still have unresolved business. As I said before, I don’t like calling you a thief, nor do I like posting her.. I have tried to get you to address this issue for a VERY long time though now, and at some point you just gotta call a spade a spade. Looking forward to the day you give things some thinking. Would love to be done with ya. Anyways, gonna go back to starfield and watching a war stream. You know where to find me.

'With friends like you, she doesn't need enemies. "

Yet you are the one harassing her in a porn site, calling her a thief

and you still want to talk about your day and your stupid chickens to her. What a nice friendship you have there. I wonder why she doesn't respond to you anymore. I just fucking wonder.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" Obviously not my words but applicable. Last time I'm breaking my rule. Your analogy is blatantly flawed. The fact you thought that was applicable is telling. Change it to buying your car (that was stolen) back from the thief (who stole it), but you only get to keep it for a set period of time before losing it again and it would be more accurate. And once again, would take a special kind of stupid. With friends like you, she doesn't need enemies. As I said, last time breaking my rule. I'll let your words speak for themselves next time.

lol

ski

don't be weird

be normal

imagine if someone stole your car

will you live the rest of your life without a car

just because someone stole it

and you refuse to buy another car until the thief brings your car back?

are you so out of reality?

be normal, don't be weird

BE FUCKING NORMAL

you know where to find me when you want to stop being a thief

Welp Make my appearance in a few to remind ya we still have unresolved business but won't be paying a lot of attention Starfield. Heh And gonna make one of my rare exceptions and address anon comment cause one statement was beyond silly. After having an item that was paid for (and not cheaply) removed for no reason, being banned for being upset over that, and not being given any way to communicate to work out a resolution to the issue, one would have to be a special kind of stupid to then give further money to the business. Not to mention for the EXACT SAME ITEM that was stolen under worse terms. Truely a special kinda stupid. So no anon, I will not be repurchasing the clubs.
Until you feel like doing the ethical thing and resolving this issue with me.

Lena Lena Lena tsk tsk tsk the guy is annoying af we all agree but he is hitting your nerves badly, specially when he called you thief


Ignore him what you want, call him retarded, he is, but you know what?


He is so fucking damn right, you stole him a lifetime purschase, so ifyou are anxious or angry blame the moterfucker next to your jail and slap him in the face for his bright idea STUPID CUNT

welp, i'm off to bed. maybe at some point you could figure out what happened to my lifetime memberships so I can go my own way. Till you decide to fix things.

This is odd. I for some reason can't join the club show. Not sure why not. I am pretty sure I bought lifetime memberships to three of those clubs. If you could help resolve this issue I would appreciate it. I guess I'll just hang out in the public chat for now.

ok, i've had enough of this for tonight. If we could settle things and I could leave I'd appreciate it. This is honestly becoming painful to watch

omg that was REALLLLLYYY bad and transparent Sorry but it was Who's idea? heh

had to fix my login since the domain name change whatever.

looog day. I am exhausted Thought I had slept better but I guess not. Took care of animals early. Making my appearance to remind me you still own me compensation. Still have faith you will do the ethical thing evenually Is taking you a long time though.Probably won't be making a long appearance tonight. 'Till you wanna make some ethical choices

She only donates to legoland and the playstore got it?

I'm too tired. Pop in for like a sec for reminder. Next time. Still believe you'll do the right thing eventually. Ps. Donated to razom tonight. Maybe you could too.

*sigh". I got like 3 hours of sleep last night and not a lot the night before. I feel ill tired. And need to be up early tomorrow to help someone after a surgery. I will try to drop in to remind ya still waiting to settle things if I can after the animals and probably right before bed.

So pity tokens for showing tits? Give her boompower you cunt

Cant just be a good fuck meat.show more make more.if you are a cluess fuck messagage anyone on your'e a fuck junk ,

Prob not make it tonight. Long day ( Still going) and I have an early day tomorrow. Never fear though, I haven't forgotten you have stolen from me. I'll prob be in next time to remind you. I still have hope you will do the right thing eventually

*sigh*. I'll try to make my appearance later to remind you you still owe me compensation... Again. Still waiting for the day for you to do the right thing

No idea if true why u framed it the way I did. I wasnt watching and had the phone on still frames when I was longed in. Hence the 'if really'. On a side note, happy to see a war crimal and a thug has ended the way they do. Time for the head hauncho. Failed wars have consequences.

Ski where you heard or who told you she is leaving Chris?


No fucking way

I peaked in and don't really have a desire to go log in. I will for a few minutes from my phone as a reminder. If you really did leave chris, congrats. Making some improving decisions. Maybe time to fix some of the mistakes you made with his council. You know where to find me.

Ha mentally challanging month, she's just being the lazy cunt she is and now trying to make rank

Off early again. Maybe I'll make a new account when I go upstairs, maybe I won't. Guess we'll see

I wish I could feel differently about you at this point as I love this game and would love to see you experience it if it hasn't been spoiled for you. But it is what it is. I'll probably be on after the animals to remind you you have stolen some items from me for no reason

Missed ya. Kinda pleased to be honest. I may ping you a reminder you owe me some compensation but honestly probably won't this time. Lazy. And I have to make a new account

Ugh. Later again I guess unless you get off before.

For fiirst time agree with you in something ski even if you are annoying as fuck with your fucking guitar, your fucking animals and your stupid kid ramblings, how old are you dude?


You seem like an ungrowed kid or a traumatized dude who was bullyed at school or somethinge like that



Anyways congrats, she is a thief a scammer and the idea of cut the lifetime shit was from strum, he is a thief too



How about that lena? If i was ski i will send are the proofs of my purchases to mfc, the fbi, interpol and whatever person to let it clear



LENA YOU AND STRUM ARE THIEVES, HOW DOES IT FEELS?

night thief. I don't particularly like calling you that but I'm gonna call a spade a spade. WHen you want to make things right and not be a thief you know where to find me.

gonna warm up my amp and finish up this live stream.

congrats on the 50 days. You may beat me by a year. You still have stolen from me an owe me compensation though. Doing my nightly reminder. Untill you want to not be a thief. You know where to find me. There is al least one person in your room who knows better then to be supporting you at this point but *shrug*. Thkning with the wrong head/

*sigh*. I'm soo tired but I'll hop in later.

off early... guess I should have popped in earlier. Maybe I'll try to ping a reminder at you in an alternative way. May wind up being to lazy. If so I'll pop in to remind ya still waiting on compensation next time. Would love to not have to be there anymore.

Gotta show something you stuipid cunt. It is not twitch. Nobody comes for games.

Ugh, after animals again I guess

You know where to find me.
And for my admirer, I warmed up the amp but didn't actually get my guitar. Just watched some youtubes. Probably wind up putting something mindless on and forgoing more guitar.

God I would LOOOOVVVEEE to leave. I can not on principle until my I get compensation for my items. Lets please just settle things so you can keep going the way you are gonig on your marry way and I can forget you exist.

Back. Warming up amp. Watching live stream. Nothing new. Still waiting for you to do the right thing.
You know where to find me.

Ugh. After animals again I guess. Would love to be done with you

'till you decide to settle things.

well back from the animals. Watching a live stream on the war again, gonna do my duo for the day and then pull my guitar down again, Nothing really new to add. You know where to find me when you choose to evaluation the ethics of removing a purchase for no reason. You sold it under those terms as an adult. You were not a child. That you were stupid is not an excuse to remove several hundred dollars of purchases (steal) for no reason. I assume you still have some form of conscience all though I admit at this point, evidence seems to point to it being pretty atrophied.

*sigh*. I'll make my appearance after the animals most likely to remind you you still own me compensation for some purchases. Would love to be done with you

good timing. I was just thinking of going getting off to bed myself.
You know where to find me.

Welp done with the animals. As I'm sure there is one or 2 ppl here who are seriously disappointed they haven't had any updates, I'll oblige today. Finally got around to not being lazy and setup my first electric for slide use. Giving 11's a try, jacked up the action and intonate. Oiled the shit out of the fret board too. It was DRY. Surprised I didn't need to adjust the truss rod but still straight. Warming up the amp to play around with the slide again and watching some live stream on war stuff. Still waiting for you to resolve the purchases of mine that were removed for no reason. Making my appearance to remind you, you still own me re-compensation. My offer is still open and I am willing to hear counter offer.
Until we talk and settle things.

welp, got tied up and just got around to the computer. Oh well. i'll remind you next time.

Ugh... I'll make my appearance after the animals I guess to remind you you still owe me for some purchases. Would really rather not have too.

I'm going to bed. You know where to find me when you want to make things right.

back from animals. Making my appearance. Nothing much new. You know where to find me when you wanna make things right.Gonna go back to guitar and finish up the last bit of this war live stream. never played this game so won't be paying much (any) attention to the stream.

Ugh. I'll probably make my appearance after the animals. Would rather not but you still owe me compensation for a few hundred dollars.

im going to bed in a few. You know where to find me when you wanna make things right. My offer still stands.
Until we talk and I can leave (really would like to leave. Pretty negative thoughts about you now)

welp, in public chat. Still seem to be missing my several hundred dollar purchases that were removed for no reason. Would love some ethical behavior on the part of the business person. Gonna watch some war content and get my guitar back down. Dislike thinking of you as a thief but we are were we are.

For some reason I don't seem to be able to join the club show. I'm positive I had lifetimes to those clubs. Would like to discuss why I do not have access. At some point (probably after the animals) I'll be in the public chat.

Family stuff. May or may not be on later to remind you still waiting for a resolution to my stolen items. Would really love to not have to show up any more.

well, I think i'm gonna go to bed. I have no idea about what went on with you and him but from my experiences with you, I certainly can't take your version at face value. Maybe try some of those analytical skills on your own behavior in the situation would be a suggestion though. While I still care about you, you have successfully maybe the part of me that dislikes you significantly stronger (then before. Not nessesarily more then the part that still cares. Honestly I have no idea). I would love to settle up issue of the items that were stolen from me so I can leave. Would prefer to be on good terms but honestly I don't even know if that is possible at this point. I might be to disillusioned with you at this point and have no idea what you are capable of. Imma sleep. You know where to find me. Wishing you clear headed judgments.
Until we talk.

Stonewalling people? Breaking contracts? Stealing money? Unwilling to communicate. Running away from problems rather then trying to resolve them?

Imho, being successful in the long run in any business endeavor is honoring one's agreements. Can't say it can't be done in other ways, but usually they come back to bite you, not to mention the ehtical questions.

ok. back in from animals. Obviously in last message I meant you rather then me. Not a lot new to add. Sorry you're feeling not great but none the less we have a few hundred dollars of issues to resolve. sooo... you know where to find me. My offer is still open. Stlil open to counter offers. One way not to feel bad about things you do is try to make them right. Just saying.
you know where to find me.
Until we talk.

*sigh*. I'll make my appearance to remind me about our outstanding issue after animals I guess.

Its time to have new Rta pussy videos released, thank you beforehand!

that was dumb. Why did i do that on my phone. You know where to find me.

U know where to find me.

Back in from animals. had to keep watch on coop till door shut as been having predation. I think its taken care of but not 100% sure yet. Just making appearance as I'm still waiting to resolve things. Offer still stands. Willing to hear other options. Crazy tired . Probably won't be on long. Don't have much new to say. I appreciated the few days I didn't have to show up to. Would like that to become a permanent thing. You know where to find me.
Until we talk.

Well, I guess I had a bit of a break. I'll prob. make my appearance after animals.

Sorry you're feeling bad. Stupid that I do still care as awful as you have treated me on both a personal and professional level that's not gonna stop me from pressing my case to a favorable resolution to the money that was more or less stolen from me. My offer still stands. Willing to hear out anything you've got as well. You know where to find me when you wanna fix things. have a good evening. Imma go get ready for bed.
Until we talk

welp jerks done animals taken care off. Pretty good chicken. Nothing new today. Gonna throw some war coverage I was watching on my phone up on the other monitor. Still waiting for resolution to my clubs that are missing for no reason. You know where to find me.
Until we talk.

Nm. I think this is the parody. Heard of it, never played it.

Peaked in on the preview. Great game. Would actually be pretty interested in watching that one.

Fired up the komodo. Making jerk chicken. Probably make my appearance after animals.

you know where to find me. offer I made still stands or if you wanna work out the something around 500 bucks of purchases you removed for no reason in another way. On principle I can't leave until it's settled.
Until we talk

Done with dinner and animals. Didn't guitar but I did guitar earlier so it's ok. I was gonna say some things but I see from the other thread and your topic that there's been some drama so I won't pile on. Will say one thing. It seems to me there's been an inflection point in some of your problems since you started having a single primary advisor. I admit I'm biased as you know when my opinion of some ppl, but.... something to think on. Still waiting to resolve are business issues. Just gonna leave it at that for now.
Until we talk

Stacking hay. Will make appearance later

She's a cunt

Family. Probably not make it tonight. I'll actually give you a short response rag next time at kn. May not be u cause u never really know but it could be. Basically boils down to the fact that even if I use an alternate means for Kris to see something cause I'm being stone walled, I never hide the fact it's me. No point in that. I was aware some one(s) were messaging her on throne through the suggestion box. She had already removed that when I went to tell her I couldn't seem to get in the club show even though I was pretty sure I had paid some nontrivial money for a lifetime membership to 2!of them. I had to use an alternate method. Never really got to know you when I was there. I think u where in the discord when I was there but honestly couldn't say for sure. So I can make no judgements on u. No idea who u really are.

This bitch is the most scabby cunts I have ever seen .. Stormy is online try to rank up , So who is gonna record her full stream .I will not let my hardrive do it.

"ppl who don't attach there names to there words"

i am ragnar by the way, i just dont know how to create accs here

i don`t know, man, everything seemed OK until you started messaging her there

she even had to disable the feature to suggest gifts

very sus

one of my rare replies to ppl who don't attach there names to there words (making them less then nothing). No. this was the first time I've tried to contact her about a business dispute she is stonewalling me on on thrones.

"I sent you a message about it on thrones."

So you were the one harassing her on her wishlist?

Fuck man, you never learn

For some reason I can't get in the club. Pretty sure I had life times to 2 of those. I sent you a message about it on thrones. Just so you know, in all my business dealings, communication with you has probably been the worst. The truck cab people where maybe worse, but I had institutional mechanisms to deal with them. Just thought you should now. Might be something you wanna work on.

idiot, here is the deal:

offers and negotiations are made between equal parts. you are not equal, you are a worm, an ant, something really small. you don't bother her. you don't even exist to her. you are not even an itch. there is no "offer" that you can make that she will consider. you already lost. either you accept it or you don't, but that is your business and not ours. you can make the offer you want. it will be the same as making none. there is no winning scenario for you here. your scenario ended, you have zero influence over her, over her regulars and even over us

this "until we talk" is extremely pointless.

oooo FUCK YOU! Now i have to stay fucking up. Thanks a fuclking lot;.

i'm going to bed in a few minutes. I literally almost fell asleep in the chair. Woke up stupid early and gave up going back to sleep after a few hours.
The offer still stands
Until we talk.

Welp, done. Exhausted prob won't be on long. Disappointed but not surprised you haven't accepted my offer. It seems like a good deal for everyone. You get to give something back to your country in it's time of need. You get rid of me having a complain about stolen items. I get some form of compensation for the lose of my items, and I lose the necessity to stick around to push my rights to my purchases back. The offer remains if you wanna think about it. Honestly, my opinion of you has changed many times over the years. It's currently pretty bad. Granted I don't hang in the chat much anymore and don't have any back channels but what I see really makes me sad. Hope you make some changes.
Until we talk.

Long day. Just got home. Gonna guitar. I'll try to get my obligatory pop in later.

«https://www.amazon.com/Fake-Turd-FRM-67907-V3-Gag-Gift/dp/B000V9KKWS

Fix your problem with ski bitch»

"Until we talk"

Not gonna happen, she compared you with that weirdo rosco and she said he was more entertaining than you........

You know what. Ok, I probably spent around 500 on the clubs that were removed from me for no reason. The items are no longer available for sale under the same terms which I think increases there value. Probably more then x2 but let's just go with x2. Donate $1000usd to:
https://u24.gov.ua/
ili
https://www.razomforukraine.org/
and show proof of the donation and I will drop the club thing. I'll feel satisfied having gotten more funds for the effort, even though the loss of the clubs (for a number of reasons) will still hurt. I'll want my account unbanned as well since it was banned because of this issue. Anyways, that's an offer.
Have a good appt whatever it's for. hopefully not stupid shit (but ur choice if it is).
Until we talk.

I approve of the heart. Donating the procedes of that one to a charity to help your country would be a cool thing to do.

Ok, done. chicken flew the coop and had to catch. then observed till I saw how the crafty bitch was gettnig out. Then had to catch again and keep her in till the auto door shut. Then had to patch the hole. Also opened a bottle of wine for the mushrooms. Then finished the bottle of wine. Heh. NOt sure I'm gonna wind up getting much guitaring in today. Making my appearance. I would appreciate resolving are dispute. A few hundred dollars is not trivial for me but it's principle more then anything and I'm not leaving until it's settled. Open for communication in that regard. You know how to find me.
Until we talk.

Oh congrats on 20 days though. 2/3 of the way to a month. Keep it up

Busy day. Just getting dinner on. Pulled some tbones I froze when they were 6 bucks a pound. Borsch was good but made a huge batch and been having it 3 times a day since. Haha. Steak will be good. Guitar after. Hopefully I'll get done in time for my obligation. If not, until we talk

Imma partake (been awhile) and head to bed in a few. You know where to find me. Would love not having the obligation to be here (just to restate).
Until we talk.

Ok. Making my appearance. Warming up the amp. I probably would have anyways but you are further in this then me so can't really pay attention. probably pop some utube upon the other screen. You know where to find me if you decide now is the time to fix a past mistake.
Until we talk.

send the issue on her throne, she will definitely see it

Guitaring again. I'll make my appearance later to make sure I remember I'm still waiting to have our business issues resolved

ski, want to be noticed?

https://throne.com/roomtoavoid

suggest a gift

add any url

send a message

she can't stop looking at it because it might be a real present

she said yesterday that she has been constantly receiving messages there

if you post there, she will see it

Oh I wasn't paying attention. Didn't realize you where getting off. Not tonight I guess. You know where to find me
'Till you choose to fix things.

Hmmm, you just reminded me I haven't finished this game. I should hope back into that at some point.

oh, congrats on day 18 though. almost at a month. Don't go and fuck it up now and have to start it all over.

Later then I though I'd be. Lost track of time and just got done with dinner and the animals. Warming up the amp to toy around a bit while I finish the frontline I was watching with dinner. Don't have much to add right now. You know I'm still waiting for resolution. You know where to find me.
Until we talk

I'll make my appearance later. Guitaring. Working on a really simple tapping lick that's somewhat (not that bad) challenging as I have never really worked on that technique. Just trying to get the position switched steady. Just cause I know there is one or two ppl here that are super curious what I'm doing.

Getting off soon. Still waiting for you to make right your start at being more 'businesswomen' by breaking a contract with me. Pretty shitty way to start being more serious about your business by failing at ethics.

Some links for you:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/304410/Hexcells_Infinite/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/442120/Pinball_FX3/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/202410/Scoregasm/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/20820/Shatter/

Night (for me)
Until we talk

well, made it up here. warming up the amp and gonna keep digging around for more info on the bridge. Still waiting to fix things. Not much to say beyond that at the moment.
Until we talk.

May not make it. Depends how late ur on I guess. Getting distracted by following the news of Putin's bridge falling down again. Falling down, falling down.

Practicing guitar. I'll make my appearance later to remind you still waiting to settle things

for all the apologizing you do for stupid shit that doesn't need an apology you would think we could talk. Until that day. Would love to have things settled. You know where to find me

sounds like my experience with learning russian.

congrats on the 15 days. I probably won't be in to long tonight. May wind up though as I have stream up on the other screen whlie doing other things. Not much to say that's new. Noticed something interesting about your stream tonight but I won't mention it. I will post a pic of my borsch for all my adoring fans here though. I'm sure they'd be heart broken if they didn't get to see. Kinda dialing this one in. It's totally opposite from what I grew up with on holidays but very much stands up on it's own as a full meal. One bowl and I was done. Didn't know I was out of sour cream. With out further ado: https://imgur.com/a/Ddprmt6
Until we talk. Would love not to feel obligated to be here (specially when I really don't feel like it)

Making borsch again. Short ribs were on sale. Probably be on later.
Until we talk

ok, I've had enough outside looking in for the evening. Gonna get off in a few and sleep not much after that. You know where to find me if you wanna try to heal things with us. (at the very least from a business perspective so I can leave).
Till we talk.

operation mincemeat. There's a major movie about that. Location of D-day. (the movie is called operation mincemeat I believe)

https://imgur.com/a/AiS8Q2c

First run on the top side. Not my best, not my worst. I'm not a welder. Just taught myself a few years back when I had to fix the ramp a different time. Comes in handy sometimes. Sorta wish I had gone with a mig but stick isn't that much harder.

The only person putting on obligations is yourself. You are the only person controlling what you do. You can't blame your actions on other people. If you are a here it is because you are choosing to be here.

Good to know I won't be obligated to be here tomorrow. Thanks.
Until we talk.

am curious how you're keeping the chat from being swamped right now. heh. But hey, however, it's working it seems. Maybe shits just calmed down now.,

Just finished up with things. Hopped in for a bit. Warming up the amp. Gonna much around a bit. Nothing much to say. I might post a pic of the hinge later just cause someone here would be super interested in it. Effort though. We'll see. Waiting to hear from ya.
'Till we talk.

Ski can you stop telling your fucking pathetic life here?

She scammed you, move on, her silence means she doesnt give a fuck about an annoying piece of shit like you dude


Are you like this with your close people in life? BUt i guess your close people is nobody besides your fucking animals


You deserve to be scammed you are FUCKING DUMB

Finally getting the trailer ramp welded on. Was getting started this afternoon wire wheeling the milscale off the hinge when I drop the damn thing and broke the zerg... Arggghh, so had to run out. Pain in the arse had to buy a rather large mix pack to get the size I needed but got it I did. Welds are all done. Packed with grease. Cleaning up. I'll probably hop in later on this evening. Gather ur not having the best day.
Until we talk.

ski, thunder was in her chat, why werent you there? lol

geting up to go but I haven't let quite yet. Haha. Not quite true isle. If you are leaning over the work, anything that draws it away from you reduces the concentration you inhale. When soldering having something suck the fumes away even without a window is beneficial. (Not that I do it. haha).
'till we talk

it's a fine dog print. Wound up just noodling. meh. it's fine. I'm heading to bed in a few. 'Til we talk. I actually missed being there today. Been awhile since that's been the case. Left hand is killing me. Did prep work the the trailer ramp the other day which I think contributed as I was man handling the ramp various times and I've been playing a lot more. Don't know why I chose to play the strat tonight considering.. hahah. Little drunk. Wish we could just fucking talk and move on.
'Till that day.

*had
Dremel
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71YLk4KbynL.jpg

hahahah that's what you kept saying when playing getting over it. I have Tvayou mat' but couldn't get the first word.

Popping in for a few. Molodets on sticking with the quiting. Dragged an amp and guitar back up here. Tuby goodness so letting it warm up a bit. Not sure how long I'll be around but making my stop so you know I'm still waiting. Hope to work things out at some point.
Until we talk

Maybe on later. Extremely tired. Wasted day as had something I had to do smack dab in the middle of the day. Trying to get some practice in on the guitar that's more then just noodling. Tough going.
Until we talk. Really would like to not feel the obligation to drop in but will until we setting things.

wistosheer. It's like wista in massachussets. Makes no sense. lol. I'm off to bed.
Until we talk.

Finished up with guitar. Hopping on for a few minutes. Finished up cause I'm getting too tired to practice so not staying long. You know where to find me when you decide you want to make things right. I'd honestly appreciate the ability to leave.
Until we talk.

Heading out to animals. Not sure I'm going to make it tonight. I got a late start today and want to put some more time in on guitar. If I don't, still waiting to resolve things. Not going away till we do. Finished "Ukraine in Histories and Stories". I woke up when I tried to go to sleep after finishing the interview I was in the middle of so read the last 2 (which were essays rather then interview transcripts). The last one was super relevant to current times. Good book over all.
Until we talk

Ok, I'm going to bed. I didn't get the pipe fixed as I had to let the water drain in the hole I had to dig and I realized I need to get another coupler as I have to add some pipe to make up for what I cut. I better not break this fucker again as next time I got a lot of digging to do as I'm gonna have to remove the T-junction and replace some of of the main pipe as I won't have enough room free of couplers on the length that breaks. haha.... I will be very annoyed on that day. Not as annoyed as the day I hit the pvc main with the auger when putting in a fence post, moved a few feet over and HIT IT AGAIN as there was 90 degree elbow there! You have no idea how anger Iwas that day. ahhaha... it was the middle of summer too and hte ground was fucking rock hard. I think I actually bought a mattock to get that done. Anyways, rambling. Gonna go to bed and see about reading some more of "Ukraine in Histories and Stories". I like it a lot but the transcripts I don't like as much as the essays. I did really like the interview with Volodymyr Yermolenko though. Wound up looking him up on youtube. I think I have like 2 interviews to go so should be done soon. Anyways, rambling again. Gonna go read as long as I can tlil I can't keep my eyes open anymore (soon).
Until we talk. (Hopefully not too far off). Night (for me).

welp, here for a bit. Not sure how long. Exhausted again. Haven't been sleeping well still. Fall asleep ok but wake up stupid early. Not sure how much I am getting, just know it's not enough. Probably throw something up on netflix on the other monitor. Glad to see the quitting is till going. If I don't post again, you know where to find me when you wanna talk.
Until we talk.

Fixing an irrigation pipe I nicked on the mower and moving crap for some electrical work next week. Then gonna run some practice beads as the (correct) hinges for the trailer ramp came. (Ordered the wrong size first like an idiot. Probably pop in later. Hope that cig day isn't in topic just because and not cause you gave up. Hope to talk before to long. Would like to loose the obligation to be there to assert my discontent with the unresolved status of our business.
Until we talk

Well no one ever said Ski was an emotionally stable person. He's hiding behind a veneer of being reasonable and friendly calling his issues "only business" but really he is an emotionally immature person with serious social issues. His ego has been bruised by being rejected and taken advantage of by a cam model so now he is standing up for himself in the lowest stakes way possible (an anon comment section on the internet) to try and regain some semblance of self worth. Ski, do you think if you succeed here that this will turn your life around? I think the only reason he hasn't given up is because if he fails here, it will only reinforce that he is a push over loser who has to get drunk every night to get through his sad life. If there were other things going on in his life, this would not be a big deal and he could move on. But sadly no, so he has to spend his time here to die on this hill because his fragile ego cannot take another hit.

ski:

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

next day:

so, my dearest friend, here is how my day went in excruciating detail. Ain't I awesome? Look at me, read what I did today, pay attention to my mundane and depressive life, don't miss a single minute of my day

next day

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

YOU STOLE MY MONEY I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

next day

Hi, bestie, I am going to bed now, but please read about my day, you know where to find me, you are so special, congratulation on stop smoking for 47 minutes, you are so brave

next day

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

next day

I HATE YOU I WILL NEVER TALK TO YOU AGAIN until we talk

ok, i'm going to bed before I finish my bottle of vodka and make any more drunk posts. Have a nice rest of stream. You know where to find me. I need to come up wiht a new way to ping you. lol.
Until we talk.

Nm. I'm drunk. Didn't see the king was in the way. Haha

Rook h8. I'm drunknl though but I think that ends in mate

Hahahahaha I was wondering when you would add some new roman numerals

Ok, that games a bit amusing hah.

Welp, hopping in for a bit. Got myself addicted to guitar again but I'm exhausted so hung it up for the night and chilling before bed. Congrats on the day 6. Quitting sucks but smoking is stupid. Does nothing but spend your money. Keep it going. Might not be on long. As I said, exhausted. Wound up getting a year of truefire and trying my best to stay focused and not start like 20 courses... hahaha. There is a shit ton of content. Doing pretty good so far. Something for rock guitar, an ear training course so far. Thinking about starting an Emmanuel course too cause I love that guys playing and I haven't done fingerstyle (or acoustic in a long time). Maybe poke aroound in the blues and jazz stuff too, but might be too many things for one time so may hold off till I finish something. Anyways, enough of that. May not post again (again exhausted) so if not, have a nice rest of stream and I'll be here when you wanna talk.
Until we talk.

Ski why you care so much for that bitch

Do you know she lives with another man and is not you?


She scammed you, face it, she is doing it all the time, lke today, she hates americans and american food, she fake she isick again to dont even try 10 percent of what she bought and she doesnt spent even a quarter of the 200 bucks of the goal........so yeah


What she did to add you as friend to give you hope was evil, but is how she plays, maybe that day her hypomanic side feels bad about it but dont get me wroing, she is a evil piece of shit and she is not gonna talk with you


Stop hurting yourself and looking like an idiot kid here, dont cry , be a fucking man and move on already, she is enjoying your misery, if yo stat to dont give a fuck she will get more angry, beleive me

I was just gonna hop in and I have the feeling you just got off. lol. oh well. Maybe next time. Hope ya feel better and hope to see day 5 or 6 or 7 next time. Also hope ya feel better if you still not feeling great.
Until we talk

She is glued to MFC like a fucking cocaine addict


My fucking god another 2 hours pity goodbye, this bitch is fucking insane in the brain


How was your 4th of july loser? i see all of you there, so no life right?


Fucking Losers

I hope to hop in later but playing guitar down stairs and laptop still not setup. Sorry 'bout the illness... (Food born maybe if quick onset and outset). Moledets on day 4 though. Keep it up. If I don't wind up getting on tonight have a nice rest of stream and evening. Still here when you wanna try talking.
Until we talk

oh, congrats on 3 days though. Keep it going. Cigs are soooo stupid. From a former addict.
Until we talk. I sleep. Have a nice evening. I'm a bit drunk. imma sleep

Kareoke wound up being a theme, and I dragged my laptop, frfr and interface/amp outside. I don't feel like setting them back up tonight (bourbon was also a theme) so I probably won't hope in tonight. Hope ur day has been well.
Until we talk

Early 4th grill this evening. Maybe on later. Have a nice stream.
until we talk.

Evening. I've been working on heading to bed myself. guitar and vodka woke me up a bit. Not really, still tired as fuck but not like unable to keep my eyes open. You know where to find me.
Until we talk.

It's.clearly an air thermin ppl. _ski

seeing you take that pill would have helped me last night. Forgot my antivbiotic I think. Annoying when you can't remember. But grabbed it when coming in from the animals so I wouldn't forget tonight.

Got up and just back from the animals. Still tired as fuck. Gonna try playing some guitar (since it's not passive) to keep myself up a bit. To early to sleep. I'll have stream on in background.
Hope to talk before to long.

I'm exhausted. Waking up stupid early again last few nights. After this episode imma go lay down for a bit. Probably jump on later. Congrats on day 2. Maybe you'll beat my quit date by a year. Still waiting to resolve things.
Until we talk.

night. I'd love to leave at this point.
Until we talk.

I'm really not such a fan of your current stream you. I'd love to settle our bus so I could leave.

I dragged a frfr cab upstairs. Still playing with tones. Page 17/32 lol. Switched guitars and should probably start back from the head, but...... nahhh. lol. I just popped in but hope you're ok. you seem like you are mulling over stuff when you're not playing the role. If so, hope your deliberations bare fruit. anyways, gonna keep stream up in background while I keep messing around with the new toy. You know where to find me if you wanna try talking.
'Til we talk.

Armpit farts , goals of 5k for socks on, tiping other models while she is online, and dont giving a shit about her chat.......and the iditos keep doing her goals.......must be the most toxic and ackward room in all mfc ..................New guys there must be like WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Tipping for socks. These guys are fuckin retarded and this bitch needs to get a life.

You don't look great, hope everything is ok. Could have just poked my head in at a bad time. I'm playing around with tones again tonight but I hope to hope in later on in the evening. You know where to find me if you choose now to talk.
As always, until we talk.

welp, that was an epic noodle session. And only got through 12 pages of 32 of presets. Hahaha. I like this thing though. Rib I busted up in my back a few years ago is not so happy though. Anyways, Seems I missed you tonight. Maybe catch you tomorrow. You know where to find me.
Until we talk.

Great a pity token show.

Running some errands but when I get back I'll probably be playing with a new guitar toy I got. Maybe pop in later in the evening. In case I don't have a nice stream. You know where to find me when you wanna try talking.
Until we talk

It is always so strange to see you say this is your last post then continue to post an hour or so later. Or when you say it is against your rules to respond to people on here yet you respond anyways. How can anyone take you seriously if you never do what you say or stick to the rules that you create? I'm not looking for a response. I'm looking for you to get over yourself and grow up.

I'm heading to bed. Have a nice rest of stream. Until we talk.

I wasn't payingf a lot of attention but did you just say cigs are good for your mental health? I'm afraid I'm gonna need a source for that.

Done with animals. Back at the kb but decided to throw the stream up on my phone and the music stand as I'm not sure how much longer gonna be uip when I 'm done and I'm just running scales and chords/inversions to get my fingers use to this again. Gonna throw a video up on the monitor by the title of Putin Copes as well. Anyways, I won't get pms till later if you decide to try. U know where else to find me though if you want. Have a nice evening if this is my last post.
Until we talk.

PS: Ahhhh shit I forgot to add something again. Seems MFC isn't the only place filled with Doctors.

I'm doing cakewakey and kby things again tonight, but will probably pop in for a bit later. I don't believe anon replying was a representative of yours but just in case; I have said I am not going anywhere until one issue is resolved. I meant it. I know just refusing to deal with things and ban walling is easier but it is not better. If you want me gone, you can talk to me and address the issue. Anyways, gonna get back to stuff. Gotta go hunt down a USB B cable and where I left the power supply to the kb so I can set it up. I swear to god setup is the death of so many projects. I wish I had the room/money to just have a space to leave setup permanently for everything I do. Heh. No such luck though. Oh well. In case I don't get on till after you're off, have a nice stream and evening.
Until we talk.

«PS. I really would like the option to leave. I'm not a huge fan of a good part of your streams right now but can't leave until we resolve an issue. anyways, until we talk.»

You do have the option. You are a person with free will and you make your own choices. You are choosing to latch onto this "relationship" either out of some weird, misplaced sense of pride or you have no better options for human connection. Clearing your head and getting away from all of this might be your healthiest option, but again, it is your choice.

I am still there cause it wasn't distracting me much while I read. Leaving soon. But as for eggs, once they are washed, they need to be refridged cause protective coating is removed. It's mandated in america. So American store eggs need refridge. I think in Europe they don't wash them and counter is ok. This really will probably be my last post as was thinking about stopping reading soon and taking my antibiotic and letting my dog out so.... until we talk.

PS. I really would like the option to leave. I'm not a huge fan of a good part of your streams right now but can't leave until we resolve an issue. anyways, until we talk.

Hopping in for a minute but I'm exhausted. Pouring myself a glass of wine and probably gonna go read a bit (starting a ebook I got (cheap) on keys. Haven't played in a long time now and never was real good. Starting a video course on cakewalk that makes use of keys so gonna see if I can brush at least some of the rust off. heh) )and then watch something to turn the brain off for a bit. Hope your stream has been good. You know where to find me if you wanna try chatting. Worth a shot. Almost certainly my last post tonight so have a nice rest of stream and evening.
Until we talk.

Banging on some drums and messing around with cakewalk. May be on later on this evening. If not, have a nice stream and all the rest.
Until we talk

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/live/o5ZA1t03dRc?feature=share&t=2047

ya not gonna make it. As I told someone else earlier today it's been a long week and I'm doing as little as possible today. Hah. Unfortunately, with the animals, there's always some stuff. But I had some relaxing snacks... hahaha.... and just chilling out and being in stream right now is like the opposite of that. watching this right now: https://youtu.be/5680U8ZQVMk Interesting commentary. Haven't finished yet but it's starting pretty good. Anyways, have a nice stream. I might pop in for like a minute or something at some point. Already did once as a guess a few hours ago.
Until we talk. Would be wonderful to resolve things.

I'm probably not gonna make it tonight. Have a nice stream and until we talk.

????https://youtu.be/fmITp1Kz1yU

well at least now I'm not excluded (for no reason) from something I paid a lot of money for. Everyone is. Works for me. Hang around a bit more then gonna hit they hay. 'Till we talk.

Don't know if I've been excluded from something I paid a fair bit of money for for no reason quite so many times in rapid succession before. Feels good man.

Had to be fair to the person tipping for club huh? Odd. Pretty sure I had lifetimes to 3 of those... I don't know what happened. Doesn't seem very fair though. Guess I'll hang around in public again;.l

Done with animals. Welds started to look a bit better after a few sticks. Lol. Little rusty but it's coming back. Probably do some practice with round stock tomorow and then pull the trailer up and fix the ramp. I am down to like 2 bails of hay. heh. Also grabbed a bit about what's going on with wagner right now.... now that's fucking interesting. really interested in where that goes. So ya, that's my evening. I'm here now. Sure you're thrilled. haha. Until we talk. Or until something comes up I want to comment on.

Just got home from shopping. Got stuff for борщ again. After unloading gonna go throw a few beads down with arc welder. Hopefully I'll pop in though. Maybe after the animals. If I don't, Until we talk. Have a nice stream.

Surprised by the private but no beef from me. Nothing I paid for that was taken away. Hope it works out for you. 'Till we talk.

poor animals, they have to endure this boring ass nigga here

why don't you sacrifice the chickens already? compared to having to live with you, it will be a mercy

Ok animals. I doubt I will post again even if I come back (not sure I'm gonna do that tonight either.) Might read my book or watch something. Maybe turn stream on in background. I don't have anything new to say though, so Just kinda posting to prove my presence right now. hah., I've done that enough for today. Have a nice rest of stream & evening.
'Til we talk. Had a start with the few one way pms you sent. It's worth a try, don't you think? Take care.

Droppin in for a bit before taking care of animals. Not sure I'll be back after. I'm tired. long day and the dog decided to wake me up early when I was actually sleeping ok for a change. Bleg., At least I got an area now to get the stick welder out and get some practice in before I have to reweld the trailer ramp that broke off (again). Been awhile since I welded. In case I don't post again (possible) have a nice rest of stream and evening. Still pissed off but just gotta wait some more I guess till you decide to try giving talking a try. 'Till we talk,.

Doing some work in garage but I'll probably hop in for a bit later.

granitza!?!?!... ohhnh..... nm... sorry I am going to sleep at 2. Just couldn't resist that. night. 'till we talk.

To late for me. I rust dropped in before bed. Night. 'Till we talk.

"if I am right about who you are"

give it a shot

> . Or the fact you got into a car crash and wound up in a ditch at highways speeds

the saddest about this story is that you survived

Evening. Honestly I'm still pissed and so you grate at me a lot more then usual and honestly I usually hope you arn't gonna be on right now. Just being honest. Have a nice meal and evening. 'Till we talk.

last time I'm breaking my rule as I'm far to drunk to be doing this anyways. I know you don't like me. The feeling is mutual (believe me) and I think you have contributed to my situation. I have said many times I came at a bad time nor have I ever claimed to be a social butterly. Socially I'm pretty terrible, like a lot of ppl there. I don't pretend to be otherwise. The fact is I have eluded to the fact I've been almost trying to leave for awhile now but I will not with outstanding issues. The fact that Kris is under the impression that she can't even have a conversation with me I believe to be in large part due to you. (if I am right about who you are). In anycase I could keep going but I'm pretty drunk and don't trust myself not to fuck up in some way or another so I'll end it at this. I wiill not reply to you again (today... not likely later but options are open so you don't pull a fucking stupid... oh look he replied shit.)

So you share things about your life to people who are not your friends, don't want anything to do with you, and are actively not talking to you in hopes that they will be your friends? Because you have issues with fitting in, your own words, leads me to believe you have no other social outlet in real life, Which leaves your only viable option for human connection is to crawl and beg for the hope to be apart of pseudo-friendship with a cam model? That is really sad. I genuinely think you should put your energy toward something more productive like real life relationships, instead of annoying people until they recognize you. Because forcing yourself on people who don't like you is always the best way to make friends.

a smart watch also often has a acceleramtor (for footstep counting). I think that's what he was talking about...

I remember VS but I've been around longer then a lot of the current regs.

breaking my rule once before going back to it. Of course, cause finding random chics in someones barn you dind't know about is totally not something you would tell your friends. Of course, makes sense. Or the fact you got into a car crash and wound up in a ditch at highways speeds. Nope. Would never mention that to ppl who at one point were friends. Makes total sense. You are one of 2 ppl and both can fuck off. Have a nice day. Back to my regularly scheduled ignoring fuckwits who don't attach there names to there words.

lol and you don't know why she banned you? you make everyone your fucking diary

Got back earlier then I though. I'd post this in discord but... well. lol. Anyways, tonight's barn surprise:
https://imgur.com/a/OW0KTSB

'Till we talk. I might make one more account just for kicks before knocking it off for the evening.

I prob won't be back tonight. Found out a chick hid eggs in the bar again and they hatched and arnt safe. I'll post a pic here later. Gotta go move them and set up a temp coop

ok that was fun but enough making accounts for now. I think I left of on 4. I'll have to make a note. Gotta run to animals, but i'll probably be back. Still not sure why you refuse to entertain the idea of trying to talk. In case this is my last post have a nice rest of stream. 'Till the day we talk.

the afgan war was hot, but the us involvent in arming and training the afgans was part of the cold war.

Still banning the basics huh? It's just running on my phone. No big deal.

Making mapo tofu. I'll hop in for a bit later

John is yet another victim, another weak man who has been used and then thrown away like a broken toy by this bitch


I don't know if there's something else apart from the clubs she's stolen from you, but I'm afraid she's used her typical strategy of you're special, I love you and you're the only one who listens to me, obviously all for your money.


It's very sad to read what you've written John, it hurts and I feel identified with you, I'm sure that insensitive bitch doesn't flinch, nor does your words affect her and only from time to time a small part of her fills her with remorse for what she's done. She has done it and continues to do it and that is when she feels bad with "depressions" and "panic attacks"


In the past she would be offline and disappear from discord, now she is on mfc feeling sorry for "pity tokens" for 10 hours


It is very depressing to see what she has become, a token whore, with absurd goals asking and asking non-stop for money, and without any feeling of guilt for her acts, hope one day that big boomerang of hate she is developing hit her in the head back harder than ever

«A fucking tissue fund? Get a life you scabby cunt»

Her simps specially boom, (that idiot has to do every fucking goal for her) spoil her too much.

She know whatever shit goal sets on topic, she is gonna do it.

To me what she did today, asking for a tissues fund, when this month has 3 goals on share and she almost made 100k with them IS A FUCKING INSULT TO MFC and the other MODELS

This skank dont deserve any token, but her mental games, trapped those poor losers, like bob, or the other regulars, why to tip for see a woman falling appart full of snots?

Its just pathetic the way she brainwashed all of them, is like a fucking cult of losers, but you know what?


NOT WITH MY MONEY BITCH,NO FUCKING WAY

you should get back at her, buy her club and leak the recordings, make her lose the money she got from you

A fucking tissue fund? Get a life you scabby cunt

Ok, I’m not sure how to start this. I am incredibly mad at you right now and the fact that you re-banned me after I logged out for sending this,
“I gave it a shot for today. I am not feeling hanging out here tonight, so kinda planned to drop the hey and see if I got a response and take off. Prob go play some more cyberpunk or watch new movie I got. May be back later. Who knows. U seem like your not having the best night so hope things are ok or get better. Take care. Until we talk. - John”, I find unbelievable.

Finding it when I logged back in after getting done with my game to say goodnight (thankfully I have learned my lesson it seems and used a vpn) was a cherry on top.

You brought up fairness about not not being willing to talk to you in your private chat (sorry, that’s public chat, not private) when I would talk to you on a public forum. Let's examine that.

1) I was forced into talking to you here. You think this is my first choice? Do you think I like posting here? It has been one of my only options since you banned me for being upset about having several hundred dollars of purchases removed for no reason.

2)There are no mechanisms in place for me to address having my purchases taken from me. You refuse to address it. Taking the matter to a public forum was one of my only options.

3)We (me and you) have issues to resolve. First and foremost a business one. After that there’s a further personal one that would determine if I left after the business one was resolved or attempted to stay. It’s between us. What benefit does discussing it in public chat have? Why would anyone else be involved?

4) How fair would it be for me for you to try to force me to discuss these issues in YOUR public chat. The one you banned me from for being upset about the first issue needing discussion? Do you honestly believe it’s an impartial audience and I would get fair treatment from your members? Somehow I doubt you think that’s the case. Everything is heavily biased towards you in YOUR public chat and you can simply mute or ban if you don’t like something (as has been made abundantly clear).

5)You know my issues with feeling on the outside looking in (and of not fitting in). I’ve reiterated them here even though I would have loved not to go into that publicly. For months I was in almost all your streams trying to put my hurt/anger aside and just be patient with you while you pretended I didn’t exist. Like literally pretended you couldn’t see anything I wrote. Do you have any idea how that made me feel? Or how it made me feel when you would talk about discord things that I could just see from the outside? Not really part of the group. Is it fair for you to assume I would assume things wouldn’t be similar if I came back to chat in public chat this time hoping something might change? If your idea was that I could come back to public chat without issues being resolved to see how things went. I tried that. For a long long long time. I put myself through a LOT of pain trying that. Up until you took several hundred dollars of my purchases away (for no reason). Then I left. (On the advice of a friend I toned down the letter I wrote to you when I left. I wonder now if that was the correct choice) I only came back when you were doxed (‘cause I was worried about you) and I stuck around (sorta - few minutes of your stream then i’d leave) because you had given me back my main account and I thought that might show a willingness on your part to make things right with me. As I have tried to do with you for god knows how long now. How much I’ve put myself out on the line to try to. I thought maybe if I poked my head in so you could see me you’d take it upon yourself to try reaching out at some point. When you had club shows that I should have had access to I got angry. Damn right. and I sent you some passive aggressive messages. When you are blocked from things you purchased for no reason, you tend to be angry.

So no, I don’t think there is any particular fairness issue about myself not wanting to talk in your public (not private and definitely yours) chat when I would talk to you (more at you considering it’s one way) on a third party site. I’d much rather just talk to you in actual private. Like 2 way communication. But for some reason I don’t fathom, this seems to be impossible for you to contemplate.

If you think I consider trying to rejoin your community trivially you are seriously mistaken. I know how hard it’s going to be. These things are normally extremely difficult for me and it’s like triply hard in this case. I do not intend to put myself through that again without certain answers to questions from you as being in some weird in between hanging on spot in your community is damn close to torture for me. Opening up all kinds of old insecurities, pains and wounds. I won’t do it again until I know if there would be a point to go through it.

I am still super super mad at you right now. Mad enough at this point to stick around just because I’m angry. I don’t want to be though. This is written terrible. I’m really emotional right now, and I slept horribly last night. Probably got like 3 hours of off and on sleep but it is what it is. If you wanna talk to me about anything in it you know where to find me. Putting myself out there again I guess.

Until we talk.

PS. I really hate posting this here but I want it said. I maybe should have taken some more time to edit it and sit on it but whatever. It's not like I haven't thrown enough out in public already. I probably won't stay tonight. I'm exhausted and not feeling very good. Probably won't make another basic today either.

I'm going to bed. I'll write more later. I don't trust myself right now. Part of me really hates you now. Part of me still cares about you. I have no idea which is bigger. Till later.

well banned again. I sent a message, hey nt. Then in a bit sent this.

"I gave it a shot for today. I am not feeling hanging out here tonight, so kinda planned to drop the hey and see if I got a response and take off. Prob go play some more cyberpunk or watch new movie I got. May be back later. Who knows. U seem like your not having the best night so hope things are ok or get better. Take care. Until we talk. - John"

Logged back in as I finished some cyberpunk, beofe going to bed to say goodnight and banned. Guess I'm back to talking to you here. Serikously though, wtf.

See how she drain boom every day is so fucking painful, she keeps online bcs of him, and the asshole is at work..........boom even retards like angel and power leave that cunt and gone basic or guest of just gtfo to wank with another camwhore

Are you stupid dude? She is scamming you every day like she did with ninezero before, now you are her ninzero or ninjatei IDIOT,


WAKE THE FUCK UP if you have any dignity or self steam left for god shake

«ski stop being so annoying

the world donest revolve around you

fuck, imagine someone bought something on ebay, got a rock instead of a game console, than changed his entire life to dedicate himself to it

bloody hell»


I agree with you anon, ski is annoying, but besides that, if you buy something on ebay and some fucker scam you, you have a protection refund service besides paypal give your monay back as well.

In this case Lena and Strum scammed him, and who protect ski and give his money back? NOBODY.

MFC allows this as long the model is profitable (Lena is) so fuck this shit , ski is right to protest and hope he keeps sending mfc mails and proofs to ban this bitch once and for all.

SHE IS A FUCKING SCAMMER and this is the proof, LIFETIME IS LIFETIME CUNT, WHATEVER YOU SAY BUNCH OF DONKEYS

ski stop being so annoying

the world donest revolve around you

fuck, imagine someone bought something on ebay, got a rock instead of a game console, than changed his entire life to dedicate himself to it

bloody hell

5 club shows in less than a month, guess she doesnt like to be watched plus her tokenmania............i mean hypomania kicking in............


Oh well, soon or later she figured out this is crazy (i hope)

Ahh, another club show. Drat, I don't know where my clubs went. Pretty sure I had lifetimes to three of those. Guess I'll have to hang out in public chat.

Ski what she told you in that pm?

"I love you" ?

Dont lose your time, she is playing with you again

Gnight. Kinda confused what your pm meant the other day at this point. I'll give you some time though. Gonna go try to sleep.

Have a nice club show. I guess I'll stay logged in in the public chat after all. For some reason my clubs rn't working.

don't stop, ski, your misery makes me happy, keep going

Ski you happy bcs she did to you a friend request?

I tought she was giving your clug back or talked to you saying sorry


But yeah she scammed today a guy 1200 tokens with the rigged keno game so dont you expect nothing from her


Better move on dude, you are fuckng painful and pathetic to read open your own blog to cry there, stop hurting yourself, that bitch really hurts you, stop it man, she dont deserve you

I'm worn out. Started drinking (and hard) early tonight and I've had a really stressful few days. Not stuff here (although that does contribute) but I got a lot of shit going on in my home life right now. I think i'm gonna get off and get in bed and watch a babylon 5 or something (i startred a rewatch when I found it on tubi). I won't be able to follow the plot much longer. lol. Thank you for what you did tonight. I still wanna talk though. I'd really make my morning to find a friend request. Just saying. Have a nice rest of stream and evening after that. I need to think about where I go next. Take care.

Thank you for that Kris. I appreciate it. I really would like to talk to you in private though. I'll probably check a few things later but really I appreciate that step. Thanks. back to my tacos and beer.

I just saw this. I don't see the purpose of getting gang raped. Do u honestly believe that situation would be fair to me. I'm really drunk now to. I have this account on phone under a VPN just to save trouble if you ban it for the guest on computer. I need to take care of the animals. Y I just saw this. Why can we not talk privately? It's not like you can't share screen shots. Animals. I'll ping you on ask. Gonna be gone for a bit though.

Few other things I forgot. !) I will not play games with creating accounts and pretending to be someone else. There is not point in that. It's stupid. Furthermore, at this point I could not give money to you on principle and I don't go anywhere else on mfc. I have no desire to give leo 20 bucks. I have a new basic account. I'm sure you've seen it. There will be no premiums nor basics that arn't pretty fucking obvious. I'm not hiding.

ps. clearly not enough pot heads power.

So no, giving your content away for free (sorta in this case) is not in any way equivalent to changing the terms on a sale after the fact without cause

it's ur choice to give away ur content for free. equating that to taking something someone paid money 4 for no reason away is a massive logical fallacy.

false equivalence
[ fawlsi-kwiv-uh-luhns ]
noun
a logical fallacy in which one assumes or asserts that two things are the same or equal when, while alike in some ways, they are not sufficiently similar to be considered equivalent.

can't believe i'm wasting a post on this. джаш

Compression filter. You'll have to play with it though

I forgot 2 things. lol. There are parts I wish were clearer on re-read to but I don't have the energy tonight to fix them. One thing I forgot was condolences on the disaster in your home country. I really didn't think that dam was gonna be breached. It didn't seem to be in anyone's interest. To early to rule out accident but somehow I doubt it. lol. Also, Not only am I an oddball, I am more stubborn then a mule (sometimes). lol.

Hеу Kris. I actually have a fair bit to say today so this might take me some time. Hope my impatience won't have me send before I've gotten everything I want. Before you banned me for being upset about having my clubs removed I had pretty much left. I was keeping the door open by logging in for a few minutes before leaving. When you banned me again I decided fuck that and I'm not leaving till we resolve issues. It's a principle thing now and I'm not leaving until we setting things. At the same time, I really do care about you. I also really miss being part of the community. You know, because in my TMI days I told you how and issue I have dealt with since my adolescence is the feeling of never fitting in. Never really being part of the group ect. You also know how isolated I am now. In light of those things I think you can understand how the discussion yesterday about the brush club brought up so many bad memories for me. For months i was just trying to be patient, take all the shit you threw at me and brush it off. As much as I tried to hide how much that time was hurting me... It really was hurting me a great deal. So you can imagine how hard the situation I find myself in now I would think. On top of that, I know you have felt bad about the situation as well. It's been obvious at times when you've read something that you feel bad. Considering this situation kinda sucks for us both, I don't know why you are so resistant to trying to fix things? I'm not a normal person (proudly and fiercely so). I never would want to be. I am rational though. I've also dealt with a lot of pain in my life so I can shrug off a lot. You are stuck with me until you decide to at least address one issue. I have other things I would need to talk about before deciding at that point to leave or to try to come back. So, till we talk or u stop camming haha. Hope I didn't forget anything, and hopefully this isn't to stream of conscious crap. I tend to do that. Anyways, not sure what Imma do tonight. we'll c. take care.

Ski the more you insist the less she is gonna talk to you.. You expose here how sick you are, how obsessed you are about her.

Get some help dude, that kid things about be drunk to impress her dont work anymore, she has now other simps where she is focused.

You have a choice to talk with her, do a new account and start over, her chat is so fulll of shit that anyone will notice is you.

Nefashu is already there and thunder and she dont give a fuck, but lets be honest, maybe in the past her chat was cool and fresh but now? Her chat is about food, bully new people, talk about whiteboard, pills, hair, lights and stupid games. Do you think is worth all this drama for be part of that shit?

Her chat and the freeloaders specially there, is what made her be stuck as a model, and why people is afraid to talk or interact there. When she allowed basics and guests was when her chat was really entertain, dinamic and active, now is a circle jerk of stupid simps with the same subjects over and over like a sick cult adorating her stinky fat ass 24/7.

"If I disappear, I probably died from alcohol poisoning."

we can only hope'

Safe travels and have a nice appointment. I wasn't lieing. I really do feel pretty fucking awful right now. Gonna go drink heavily I think... hahahaha. If I disappear, I probably died from alcohol poisoning. Lol. 'Till we talk.

This made me feel really remarkable badly. Time to switch to vodka I think

Ok now this is just making me sad